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Can The Religious Legally Discriminate?: The Answer Is Maybe…
Posted on September 21, 2011. Filed under: Atheism, Atheist Ethics, Personal, Politics, Religion, Social Justice |
As I labour away trying to research for my follow up posts on Woo Juice, I thought I might reblog this story from Ed Brayton over at Dispatches from the Culture Wars. It’s a really nuanced issue- one that leaves me torn between opposing views:
Drawing Lines on Religion-Based Discrimination
The Chicago Tribune reports that a gay couple is suing two bed and breakfasts for refusing to rent facilities to them for a civil union ceremony.
The Beall Mansion in Alton told the Wathens via email that it “will just be doing traditional weddings.” The owner of the Timber Creek Bed and Breakfast in Paxton wrote in an email to the couple: “We will never host same-sex civil unions. We will never host same-sex weddings even if they become legal in Illinois. We believe homosexuality is wrong and unnatural based on what the Bible says about it. If that is discrimination, I guess we unfortunately discriminate.”
Here’s the legal situation:The couple filed a complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights, which investigated and found “substantial evidence” that a civil rights violation had been committed.
The August finding allows the Wathens 90 days to file a complaint with the state Human Rights Commission or take civil action in Circuit Court. The Wathens’ attorney, Betty Tsamis of Chicago, told the Tribune that her clients have chosen the latter path and will file lawsuits against both businesses as early as next week.
This action, should it proceed, could bring to the courtroom a debate over the boundary lines between religious freedom and discrimination in Illinois.
Read the rest of the post here.
I’m unsure how I feel about this. I think there is a difference between an “Event”, like a wedding, ceremony, convention or meeting- and just being a person who happens to offend someone elses sensibilities.
I think that business owners should not be able to discriminate who stays in a hotel room, or who they serve in their restaurant. I think holding an event at their premises is a different thing altogether. At the same time, I think turning away customers who want to hold a wedding- just because you don’t agree with the relationship- is stupid. Though as I mentioned in the comments, I would like to have the right as a business owner to turn away certain groups for events I did not agree with.
Any thoughts on this? John? Jeremy? Darwin?
Others?
Read Full Post | Make a Comment ( 20 so far )Getting Skeptical About Woo Juice Part 1:For The Credulous Asshole Troll- Neil C. Reinhardt
Posted on September 2, 2011. Filed under: Astrology and Related Bunk, Atheism, Atheist Ethics, Humour, Internet Etiquette, Personal, Science, Trolls |
Last week I wrote a eulogy to one of my personal heroes who died of cancer. Regardless of the political views of my readers and Canadians in general, most people are happy to agree that Jack Layton was a very special human being- someone worthy of a fond farewell.
I would like to point out that I have more than a few readers who hold political views in diametric opposition to Jack’s vision- and each and every one of those people had the courtesy to let my post stand as a testament to someone they knew I respected deeply. I might have even tolerated a right wing diatribe about how my “pinko socialist” hero was plotting to ruin Modern Western Civilization. Jack would have liked that. Being accused of being “unrealistic”, “utopian”, and “socialist” would have made him proud.
Meet The Troll
Enter Neil C. Reinhardt- a professional atheist troll who spouts pathetic and misguided conspiracy theories because people don’t believe that he has stumbled across a MLM (Multi Level Marketing- aka Pyramid scheme) product that cures every single ailment known to man. He rails against “skeptics” for not making the effort to credulously accept that his “miracle tropical beverage” can cure any and every known disease and symptom. Skepticism is to be lauded until it bumps heads with his faith in fruit juice. Fruit juice that apparently tastes like licking testicle sweat off of a turd. (That is how you know it works- why else would people ingest such foul tasting swill?)
Neil apparently thinks that a very personal post about a very personal subject is the perfect place to insert his delusional ramblings about how the medical establishment are covering up the cure-all effects of ingesting and topically applying the fruit juice equivalent of equine effluent. Apparently I’m to assume that his 15 year foray into faith-healing is supposed to make me run out and buy his snake oil. Here is the blathering, disjointed ramblings deposited in the comment section of my post: (more…)
Misplaced Grace 